Tucson By Choice!: Unintended Consequences: Hang On to That Sears Card You Got in College

Unintended Consequences: Hang On to That Sears Card You Got in College

 Bad things happen unnecessarily.  This four ton boulder obeyed the law of gravity just a little sooner than the construction crew intended, as it was being hoisted by crane into the back yard of the home.

A little better planning would have avoided a very negative consequence.

It's the same with your credit score. As predictably as the law of gravity brought this rock to earth, your credit score will plunge if you cut the line that's holding it skyward.  

A major strand in that line is a little thing called credit history.

Here's how it works, (and you need to teach this to your kids.) The scoring model created by the credit bureaus relies on history--what you did last month, and the month before--to determine the likelihood that you'll repay your debt on time.

What you've always done is what you're likely to do again.  So the model rewards you with a higher score for maintaining those credit cards you've held, and used, for a long time.  If you're in my generation, your first card was likely one from Sears, Roebuck & Co.  You've had it for years, and have never been late.

Say that you're solicited by Capital One to transfer the balance.  "Zero Interest!  Move your high interest balance to us!"  Seduced by the advertisement, you "trade in" your Sears debt (high interest) for Capital One debt (zero interest.)  Financially, you made a good move.  Your credit is impeccable already, and now you're saving money.

Bad decision.  I tell my clients that this is like trading a valuable long term relationship for a one night stand.  It's never good, and there will be negative consequences.

15% of your credit score is based on long term credit history.  If your score is 720, you just lost a potential 110 points, because the system relies on Sears to report that you paid on time every month for years.  Suddenly that data is erased, replaced with Capital One's report that you paid on time last month.  Your score can drop like that rock in the photo, with similar consequences to your credit "home."

Hang on to those older cards.  Use them once in awhile to keep them active.  (Just having the card won't necessarily help your score.) 

Today's Assignment, from your favorite Tucson, Arizona mortgage lender:  Dig out that card, and buy a pair of shoes, or a new driver for your golf game.  Tell your spouse that Mike in Tucson said it's not only okay--it's necessary!

I'm Mike in Tucson, your preferred Tucson, Arizona mortgage lender
Mike Jones (Tucson Mortgage Company, LLC): Loan Officer in Tucson, Pima County, Arizona

photo courtesy of Friday Fun
Content copyright Michael W Jones, Tucson, AZ

32 commentsMike Jones • October 01 2007 09:15AM

Comments

Mike, great point. I miss this one. Unfortunately I gave up my Sears card several years ago for the American Express card.
Posted by Frank Rubi New Orleans | Kenner | Slidell (Frank Rubi Real Estate) over 4 years ago

Frank, thanks for commenting.  It really doesn't matter which card or cards you use, so long as they report "paid as agreed" to the bureaus.  What's important is the history; once you've established a long term relationship, maintain it.  It's just as valuable in credit as it is in love.

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago
Mike, Great Great Great Post. I just had this conversation on Friday with a client when they where trying to decided what CC to close.
Posted by Matthew J Blum - (retired from the business) over 4 years ago
Mike, that explains it all.  I had an account on my credit report that had not been used for years, but was still open and every month the creditor would show a good standing.  Then I was told to get old stuff off my credit to raise the scores, did so and it dropped my points dramatically.  I about threw up.  I wish I had your knowledge 4 months ago.  I will however pass this along to all those I work  with and know.  Thank you!
Posted by Julie Neerings~Lifting Hearts ♥ Building Dreams~ (Agent Referral) over 4 years ago

It's a good thing no one was sitting in that recliner.  What a headace they would have.

Good points about credit scoring. Old advice said to close unused accounts.  Today's scoring weighs heavily on history as you point out. 

Posted by Dan Forbes over 4 years ago

Matthew, thank you!  I'm one of your subscribers, and I appreciate your comment.

Julie, a lot of loan officers do what they learned, and give advice based on that.  We all need to be life students, especially in our careers.  Thanks for visiting and commenting.

Dan, the cat was asleep on the arm of the recliner.  JUST KIDDING!  I love cats; we have bobcats and mountain lions right here in my backyard--in the Tucson Mountains.

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago

Mike,

I have a bank card from 1978.

It's a keeper, and quite active.

Thinking of calling it a family heirloom.

Posted by Mike Jaquish 919-880-2769 Cary, NC, Real Estate (KELLER WILLIAMS® Realty) over 4 years ago

Mike

Bad decision.  I tell my clients that this is like trading a valuable long term relationship for a one night stand.  It's never good, and there will be negative consequences.

Really? What a hysterical way to talk about credit scoring....there is no doubt I will use this one in one of my presentations....I will be sure to give you credit! LOL!

 

Posted by Bill Nazur over 4 years ago
Mike - Great points! That is so true to keep your Sears card and use it occassionally. I love your analogy!
Posted by Linda Scanlan (A Fan of AR) over 4 years ago

Mike, I hope you are doing seminars for first-time homebuyers in your market area. A lot of would-be homebuyers need "counselling" on credit matters before attempting to buy a home.

Bill Roberts 

Posted by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate) over 4 years ago
Mike, thanks for that great information!  Makes a lot of sense -- that history is important.  Love the    analogy too.  I was thinking about closing out some old accounts -- won't be doing that -- thanks again for the information!
Posted by Judi Morgan, San Antonio, TX Real Estate (Prudential Don Johnson Co., REALTORS) over 4 years ago

There are other factors that people don't understand either.  If you have 3 or 4 cards but only one has a balance, transfer some of that balance onto another card.  I don't know why but if you do this, your score increases.

The rule of thumb on credit cards is, if you are applying for a loan, make sure prior to applying that you don't have any one card above 48% of your available credit.  This is a killer.  Distributing your balances to several cards is better than having just one card that is higher than 48%.

The process takes about 3 months to settle into the higher score but is well worth it.  Especially if you have a challenged score to begin with.

Posted by Roy Bosworth (USATBC) over 4 years ago

Mike~ I knew it was important to keep the old cards open, I didn't know you were supposed to use them every once in a while.  Thanks for pointing that out.

Posted by Lisa Ryan~Selling Princeton,West Windsor and Montgomery Township New Jersey (Henderson Sotheby's International Realty) over 4 years ago

Man, I'm getting behind answering your comments.  But here I am...

Mike J, love the family heirloom from 1978. Thanks for commenting!

Bill, you'll love the reaction when you use that line with your clients.  It really breaks the ice.

Linda, it's always good to see you; thanks for visiting and commenting.

Bill, I'm not doing seminars, but probably should take your advice.  Thanks for coming around to see me.

Judi, thanks for commenting.  I love your last name; my brother John got tired of explaining that his name really was John Jones, and that his mom was Mary.  He legally changed his last name to my Dad's first, and now he's John D. Morgan!

Roy, thanks for expanding on the theme.  I find that comments are often just as useful as the post, and in my case, probably more so.  Thanks for visiting and commenting.

Lisa, see?  You really should go right out and buy a pair of shoes!

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago
Mike - I love this post.  The last lines encouraging people to use their older credit cards reminds me of a sign I've seen in a few shops - "Your husband called and said to buy anything you want." :-)
Posted by Laguna Homes|Laguna Condos| Laguna Real Estate|Marlene Bridges (Village Real Estate Services, Inc.) over 4 years ago
Great Information Mike....I'm just tired of everything being sooooo complicated!
Posted by Joan Mirantz GRI CBR SRES- Concord New Hampshire Realtor (Homequest Real Estate) over 4 years ago

Marlene, I've seen that sign!  I saw two more in St. Louis, and bought them both.  The first said "If Mama Ain't Happy, Ain't Nobody Happy."  The second said "If Papa Ain't Happy, Who Cares?"  LOL

Joan, it's not really so complicated.  Like my little grand daughter said to her older cousin, "Grandpa 'splains things to me."

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago
Mike, one point of clarification.  There's no problem trading in the Sear's card balance for a zero interest Capital One card.  That in and of itself won't hurt the credit score.  Transfering the balance AND closing the Sears card is what will tank your score.  It's possible to acheive both objectives - the system is clearly anti-consumer but don't make the rules.  All we can do is try to figure them out and play by them!
Posted by Kate Bourland Debt Settlement - Mortgage Acceleration (Financial Solutions Inc.) over 4 years ago

Kate, you're absolutely right!  I love saying that to another lender, especially to West Coast Kate!  Thanks for the clarification, and for visiting and commenting. 

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago
Mike, This is a very helpful post and one I will keep.  I appreciate the way you tell it in layman terms. 
Posted by Candy Henthorne- Spring Texas Real Estate (Results Realty) over 4 years ago

Thanks for commenting, Candy!  Simplicity is the key to effective writing.  Come back any time!

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago
Great information! Most people do not realize the importance of keeping and using those long standing credit cards!
Posted by Bill's Blog - Florida Realty Professional - AHWD (Charles Rutenberg Realty) over 4 years ago

Bill & Barbara Jo, it's something we should teach at the high school level, before our kids hit college and enter the credit world.  Wouldn't that make a lot of sense?

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago
Good information, Mike!  Very creative way of putting it.  And you are right.   The people at Fair Isaacs have a saying - 'The higher you are, the more you can fall."  What they are referring to, of course, is credit scores.  Many people don't realize that someone doing what you described (but closing the account) can vary in severity.  In other words, if someone with a score of 810 closes their oldest account it will fall much further than someone with a 560 that does it.  Either way, it's a baaad idea. 
Posted by Russ Higgins. Credit Justice Services (Credit Justice Services) over 4 years ago

Russ, thanks for visiting and commenting.  Given your business background in the business of credit rehabilitation, I'm especially pleased to have you comment. 

For Loan Officers reading this, here's a link to Russ Higgens' website.  Go see him; he'll help your business.

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago

Mike,  Thanks for the kind words (and plug).  If you don't mind, I'd like to make a post in my forum for this - giving you the credit for the idea, etc...  Would that be ok with you?  I'd just like to add another person's take on credit in the forum.  It's a forum for people to come and ask questions about credit.  I answer them free of charge.  Just a way of helping to enlighten the public about credit.

Russ

Posted by Russ Higgins. Credit Justice Services (Credit Justice Services) over 4 years ago

Russ, have at it!  I'd love to come visit and comment, if the format allows that.

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 4 years ago

Mike, absolutely!  The forum needs som life, anyway!  All ya have to do is register.  I'll look forward to your messages in there.  The forum is here

 

Posted by Russ Higgins. Credit Justice Services (Credit Justice Services) over 4 years ago

Dig out that card, and buy a pair of shoes, or a new driver for your golf game.  Tell your spouse that Mike in Tucson said it's not only okay--it's necessary!

Hey Mike,

That's one of the best reasons I've ever heard for a new driver!  I can't reveal all of the details, but I think I left my last one wrapped around a tree.  :)

Posted by Not Yet Licensed over 3 years ago

NYL,

It's good to see you, and on a post from a year ago!  I'll look forward to a mea culpa post on your blog about how that driver came to be wrapped around the tree!  I'm thinking it wasn't a Christmas tree.  LOL

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 3 years ago

Mike.... Great blog and you made alot of great points!  Would it be okay to reblog this on our personal blog?  Wishing you all the best on this Holiday season.

Cheron Lange

Posted by Michael Lange, Associate Broker and Cheron Lange, GRI (Solutions Real Estate) over 3 years ago

Cheron,

Reblog anywhere.  Thanks for commenting.

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC) over 3 years ago

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